9/12/08
(Taken from an online community forum with permission and edited slightly for clarity and content.)
My dad had the crappiest paying job in town while he and my mom were raising SIX kids. He's also the hardest working man at the job and is the highest achieved skill-wise. He built machinery and other equipment for the plant (orange packing company) and he still got paid squat. He was supporting a wife and six kids, all under the age of 12 or so, as well as other things that require money-- car payments, rent on our broken down little house, etc.
He was a man supporting a huge financial need in his family. Six kids and a wife plus many more needs. And he still got paid nothing.
In my family's situation, his marital and family status had absolutely nothing to do with how much money he made. There were people working at the plant with no, or little, family to support and they made more than my dad did.
My dad is still with the same company, and the only reason his pay has increased was because he demanded to his bosses that it be so. And even though three of us six kids have moved out and are no longer dependent, he still is underpaid for his skill level and work performance.
Don't assume just because you're a single mom you're going to get paid less. I'm so sick of hearing women complain about "unfair wages." You want a higher raise? Get it. Boss wont give it to you? Get a different job and stop whining.
There's nothing I cant stand more than women who boast their feminist attitudes. "Extreme" or not, they are all insensitive to men and their God-given roles. Is it possible, just maybe that men are scorning feminists so much because they feel cheated out of their roles as providers and leaders?
What would happen if men started protesting because they felt like women thought they were idiots, big bumbling morons, incapable of emotions, insensitive to what women want, stupid and unintelligible, unable to capably lead anything? Oops, thats what feminist believe already.
Whatever happened to Ephesians 5?
22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
I don't know about you guys, but I think it says something about how women should be with their men. It is reflected with the role of Christ and His followers.
Only an idiot would take offense of this verse and let themselves be victimized by it.
No, this verse doesn't mean men can rule a woman and she has no say in anything. I quoted the rest before and I'll do it again.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body.
When feminists hear this, Christian or not, they become defensive, victimized, and whiney. It's these kind of people, the pick-and-choosers of God's Word, that have no business calling themselves "strong," "opinionated," and "intellectual."
Isn't it our job as Christ-followers to do just that? Follow His Word and commandments?
1 John 5:2-4
2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.
1 John 14:15, 23-24
15 If you love me, you will obey what I command... 23 If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
I think He was onto something when He wrote that.
Something else I read about feminism in Christianity:
"It is feminism that fuels the murderous abortion industry. It is feminism that causes women to usurp authority over men in our churches, infesting our pulpits with doctrines of devils. It is feminism that causes women to dress immodestly, make pornography and sell their virtue.
Satan successfully deceived Eve into believing that she would be EMPOWERED by rebelling against God's Word. Likewise, feminists today have been deceived into believing that they are exercising their WOMEN'S RIGHTS by murdering their own precious little babies by abortion. What about God's rights? What about the baby's rights? What about the fathers rights? Feminism is selfish—causing women to do what's best for them—even if it costs them their marriage, their relationship with God and the life of their own child.
Satan uses reverse psychology to deceive women. The Devil actually convinces women that they are being "liberated" and "empowered" by disobeying God's Word. Just as Eve was deceived, so are feminists today utterly brainwashed. Wives who refuse to submit to an authoritative husband will never be pleasing to God. If you don't like your husband because he is controlling and authoritative, then you will absolutely hate God—because it's God's way or the highway!"
Feminists disgust me. They victimize themselves and cheat their men out of the roles given to them by God. All the while boasting of their godly lifestyle, their devotion to Him, and how strong they are spiritually.
I can't judge your faith. But how can you be claiming to love God and follow His plan if you are blatantly going against His natural design?
I know this isn't part of the discussion [in the topic], but another thing I may as well say while I'm throwing all this out there-- women are always complaining about how chivalry is dead. Why do you think that is? The feminist movement has caused guys to become insecure in being a gentleman, afraid of being rebuked or shot down for trying to help a lady with something heavy or by opening a door. How confused they must be nowadays, getting signals left and right that women "don't need their help, they can do whatever they want without a man" while at the same time constantly hearing crap such as "men disgust me; what happened to an old-fashioned gentleman?!"
Also, is it so bad to be a stay at home mom, a keeper of the home? Feminists have caused the high role as a mother and home keeper to be looked down upon. These few women that still stand up for God's calling to be a homemaker have become demeaned and looked upon as "lesser" or "weaker" because they aren't bringing home money and competing for the role of leader with their husbands. There are a few women I know, my mother, my sister, my sister-in-law, and a few rare others, who are the strongest women I know and probably ever will know, who, coincidentally, are mothers and home keepers.
You want to be a leader? Raise the next generation of the human race to bring people to Christ. You want to be empowered? I don't know if you guys have noticed, but men can't support another human being inside of them for 9 months. You want to be seen as hard-working? There's no harder job than to be a mother, and running a home at the same time.
Another thing that makes me so riled up about feminists: they aren't mothers anymore. They let other people raise their kids while they try to fulfill some need to be seen as an equal in everything to men. Then they go whining about how their kids don't do anything but play video games, watch TV, text, etc. Why do you think they do this? They didn't have a mom raising them, encouraging them to be creative, try different things, go outside, be something else besides a robot. Stop whining if you aren't going to do something about it.
I realize most of this isn't on topic of what you women define as a "feminist." And I wouldn't be surprised to see my post deleted come tomorrow. I just want to say though, if my post is deleted for saying "mean words" (gasp!), shouldn't this whole thread be deleted for being Biblically illiterate? It wouldn't be the first time truth is rejected by the people contradicting it.
I really don't care what label you guys put on me now, if you haven't done it already. I am riled up right now by this thread and other things pertaining to this, and I just decided to speak my mind on the subject. I really don't care anymore if I get banned, I'm done being silent when it comes to matters such as these.
Feminists, stop trying to be something you aren't. What's so bad about being a woman? I rather like it myself.
Lacey Henderson
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3 comments:
So, just to clarify- Men should be paid more then women because they could potentially be supporting a family?
What about women who need to work or their children won't eat? What about people who have made poor financial decisions in the past and now work to pay for them? Would it be better to file bankruptcy?
It's very easy to say there is one set way, but it's not that easy when the rubber meets the road.
I fully submit to my husband, I live under his covering(although we do make decisions together) and we are following the Corinthians model of submission but I still *gasp* work outside the home.
"So, just to clarify- Men should be paid more then women because they could potentially be supporting a family?"
No, that wasn't the stated point. The point was that if you aren't making enough and supporting a family, whether you're male OR female, you have the opportunity to get a raise or seek a better job.
"but I still *gasp* work outside the home."
Good for you! It's taken women a long way to get to the point where we can be mothers AND workers. But there's a difference than just "working outside the home" and being a hardcore feminist. In fact, Lacey is currently working on starting a bakery with her elders sister.
Thank you very much for your input!
I... on certain points agree with you, but not entirely in the way you word it.
(By the way, I'm liking your blog)
I believe Feminists have ruined what it is to be feminine. They have disempowered that which is female and only made it okay for women to be Men, and yet it is still not okay for anyone to still "Be Women"
I think Japan, for all the western world thinks they're sexist has it right. Being a housewife is acctually catagorized as an occupation here, not as something you're forced into. Having children is a respectable job, sure Women are treated unequal in some areas, but I hate to break it to feminists, WE ARE.
In Japan, and I bloody LOVE this law, by law your office or job has to give you three days off a month if you need it for mensturation. (Unpaid of course but as proper sick leave)
I think that just shows that they're willing to aknowledge that yes, you have a vagina. Not that they're trying to disempower you by offering you more time off if you need it. However with those considerations the company does realize that, by golly, you have a vagina. And with that vagoo you have things that may distract you from the job and as such may typecast you as being not as dependable as your male counterpart.
Don't bitch then, prove yourself better if that is what you so are.
I disagree on a woman ever needing a husband, as I believe they can serve God without the guidance of anyone but God... uhh.. "itself"
Jesus and Paul both spoke of giving themselves to God and the spiritual embetterment of solitutde and equil servatude for all our brothers and sisters, so there is no need for the extra servatude that comes in Marrage or partners unless you feel that is your calling or weakness. I'm all for not being under the rule of my parents as even Jesus said that he may turn household against household with his teachings. If a Daughter finds Jesus and her family does not should she not embrace her "Masculinity" and venture out to follow God on her own?
A lot of femminism has come out because Men had forgotten how Jesus served the church and only look at how many Churches have lorded over them. And thus feel that they too should lord over their households, not as Jesus sat WITH his deciples but as a king sits over his court. Not there to aid them but use them for his amusement. True Feminism simply tries to rectify this, place women at the side of man, next to him, head to head, as his helpmeet, his equal, his friend. As opposed to below him which for far too long is where women have been forced. Sadly women are pushing too hard in the opposite direction forgetting that men are too equal with them and we were made to HELP one another. That there are things a female cannot do and things a male cannot do. And where one is weak the other is to be the strength.
I disagree that it's "Woman murdering their babies" because there are a lot of social, economical and peer pressures on a woman who gets pregnant, a lot of which can come from that husband or boyfriend who will not face responsibility for the child and will with equal pressure push her towards abortion. The Majority of women who have an abortion are married with 3 or more children and can simply not afford another pregancy. With unemployment reaching the double digits in America and millions of people without health insurance the choice between a $100-$500 abortion and a birth which could cost up to $20,000 could be a choice between the family skipping a few meals or losing their home.
Frankly I think before anyone starts wagging their finger at these women they should be looking at those three fingers pointing right back at them and asking "WHY", a real "WHY" do these women feel they NEED an abortion.
Women and Men deserve the choice, but what kind of society do we have where an abortion *is* the better choice?
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